SMPS Transformer Primary Turns Calculations

nazirdigi

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radio

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Transformer ATX-power supply of 500W at 12Vdc secondary (not 5V or 3.3V).
How many windings to the primary winding to the secondary and how to get the output voltage 62Vac and current to 6A ?!
thanks
 

Rogelio

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Hi, I need your help. Especially MicrosiM

I'm building CDI inverter. Though its already working. But my secondary voltage was too high. The ferrite transformer required was ETD29, Since its not readily available here in Philippines I used PC PSU ferrite transformer.
Its a push pull transformer winding. Primary winding was 26 turns and center-tap. So its 2X13 turns in primary. Secondary was 360 turns. Secondary was using bridge rectifier w/ 1 mfd filter cap. with inverter frequency of 20khz. I think +12V supply for primary was already correct but my problem was I want to reduced secondary winding so I can have 300 V DC on Filter Capacitor. Do I really require to buy ETD29? Can you please help me compute the secondary winding with existing primary winding. Thanks.

I want also to know what is the N?? core material for ETD29. How do you derive the core material? Example: N87 for ETD59.
 
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Rogelio

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Got it after reading page 6 regarding Core Materials, N87 for 3C90 etc same material but different manufacturers. This means I can use ETD29/16/10/3C90.
 

radio

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Hi all!!
It has a transformer with the sign TUV BCK-01 (ATX-power supply Deluxe PA-500W).
Question: How do i rewind this transformer: Primar as winding wire lacquered with which section? trespass on the secondary i want to get around and about 2x32Vac and currents up to 6A. Which section of wire that applied polish motam secondary?
A big thank you in advance!
cheers
 

mikecarel

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ravs


In my opinion, You are complicating things for no reason.

If you are using ETD44 as indicated @70Khz @ 1200 Bmax

Primary turns is 26 Turns

for 50 - 0 - 50 VDC output you need 8 turns -0 - 8 turns

at least you need 1.2MM for Primary if you need 600W, strand many thin wires together, its known method, See ludo3232 how he did it.

Other wise I cant see any thing prvents that SMPS from working.

* where did you get the Vin Max 270v from?


Help is there always

Thanks

Hi Microsim,

I'm just wondering how to determine the estimated wire size in AWG. I've been studying book of marty brown and abraham pressman but it lacks answer in determining the wire size. I have the following calculation and I cannot start in contructing my transformer since I stop in determining the wire size. My project is a low voltage high current power supply using controller TL494.

My calculation:

1. Rated Output Power Po = (12Vdc) * (40Amps) = 480Watts
2. Estimated Input Power Pin = 480W/0.8 = 384Watts (for 80% efficiency)
3. DC input voltages (A voltage doubler will used for 110Vac)
a. From 110 Vac:
Vin(low) = 2(1.414)(90Vac) = 254 Vdc
Vin(high) = 2(1.414)(130Vac)= 368 Vdc
b. From 220 Vac:
Vin(low) = (1.414)(185Vac) = 262Vdc
Vin(high)= (1.414)(240Vac) = 339Vdc
4. Average Input Currents (DC)
a. Highest Average: Iin(max) = 384W/254Vdc = 1.51A
b. Lowest Average: Iin(min) = 384W/339Vdc = 1.13A
5. Estimated maximum peak Current Ipk = 2.8(480W)/254Vdc = 5.29A

Ae=107mm^2 = 1.07cm^2 for ER35
Controller frequency = 80Khz
Bmax = 1500

NPRI = (Vin(max) * 10 ^ 8) / (4 * F * Bmax * Ac)
NPRI = (169.5 * 10 ^ 8) / (4 * 40000 * 1500 * 1.07)
NPRI = 66,100 ~ 66 turns
Vfwd = output diode forward voltage
Nsec = (1.1 * (Vout + Vfwd) * NPRI) / (Vin (min) * DCmax)
Nsec = (1.1 * (12 + 0.5) * 66) / (127 * 0.95)
Nsec = 7.1 turns ~ 7turns

What wire size should i use? Hope you can guide on this or at least give a better reference on this.

Thank you,
 

MicrosiM

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Hello Mike


I would recommend that you use a cooper foil winding for the secondary since your application hits 40A, even the voltage is low.

Otherwise, that ER35 will never fit other wires into that small window.

Are you sure about the 66 Turns for primary??
 

mikecarel

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Hello Mike


I would recommend that you use a cooper foil winding for the secondary since your application hits 40A, even the voltage is low.

Otherwise, that ER35 will never fit other wires into that small window.

Are you sure about the 66 Turns for primary??

Yes, i'm using your transformer calculator based on your transformer tutorial, check that twice and itss really 66 turns for the primary using half bridge topology. I'm still trying to consider other core such us epcos E42/21/20.

For Half Bridge:
Vin(max) = Vin(high)/2
Vin(min) = Vin(low)/2
Freq = 1/2 of controller frequency

Is this correct?


Thanx
 

mikecarel

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Yes, i'm using your transformer calculator based on your transformer tutorial, check that twice and itss really 66 turns for the primary using half bridge topology. I'm still trying to consider other core such us epcos E42/21/20.

For Half Bridge:
Vin(max) = Vin(high)/2
Vin(min) = Vin(low)/2
Freq = 1/2 of controller frequency

Is this correct?


Thanx

Hi MicrosiM,

My transformer E42/21/20 epcos n87 will arrived soon and I'm starting to build a simple Halfbridge using tl494, please help me verify if I understand your tutorial correctly. I'm confused in the frequency that I will use during the computation. My target Frequency in TL494 is 80KHz. So the frequency values that I will use during the calculation will be 40Khz?

Hope you can clarify this to me.

Many Thanks.
 

MicrosiM

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Hi MicrosiM,

My transformer E42/21/20 epcos n87 will arrived soon and I'm starting to build a simple Halfbridge using tl494, please help me verify if I understand your tutorial correctly. I'm confused in the frequency that I will use during the computation. My target Frequency in TL494 is 80KHz. So the frequency values that I will use during the calculation will be 40Khz?

Hope you can clarify this to me.

Many Thanks.


If your TL494 internal frequency is 100KHZ, then your SMPS will be running at 50KHz

You should use 50Khz in the formula, Also inspect waves with scope


Regards
 

mikecarel

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Thank you for accomodating my concern. This forum gives all the light in my project. Hope to build one soon.

Regards,

Mike
 

papel12300

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Hello! who could answer this question ... ;ww:
** Not if you are right but I can see for example in the sheet of material, either Epcos (N87) and / or Ferroxcube 3C90, indicating the Gauss for both materials as 1200 (this is indicated in the images I upload ).
** Is this what I can use directly in the formulas for calculating the number of turns for the primary :
** ETD39/20/13-3C90 or ETD49/25/16-3C90?, Then:
** Np = Vp x 10 ^ 8 / (4 f Ae Bmax) where Bmax = 1200 for this item? :confused:
** Thanks for your help ... :)
 

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MicrosiM

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Hello! who could answer this question ... ;ww:
** Not if you are right but I can see for example in the sheet of material, either Epcos (N87) and / or Ferroxcube 3C90, indicating the Gauss for both materials as 1200 (this is indicated in the images I upload ).
** Is this what I can use directly in the formulas for calculating the number of turns for the primary :
** ETD39/20/13-3C90 or ETD49/25/16-3C90?, Then:
** Np = Vp x 10 ^ 8 / (4 f Ae Bmax) where Bmax = 1200 for this item? :confused:
** Thanks for your help ... :)

I never used more than 1100 value as the Bmax into my calculations.
 

papel12300

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Hello! and thanks for your reply MicrosiM, then, how I can determine an acceptable Bmax?. :"::
* In addition to the chart published for the calculation of Bmax, can (if possible) indicate another example, either with the same chart or another expressed in mT?
Or is there a more acceptable method for the determination of this parameter?.
** In the forums I have noticed that there is great confusion in repect of Bmax, (no offense to anyone about it, because these are people who make a great effort being made to publish your very interesting work). :)
** Thanks for yuo time and answer..
 

MicrosiM

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Hello! and thanks for your reply MicrosiM, then, how I can determine an acceptable Bmax?. :"::
* In addition to the chart published for the calculation of Bmax, can (if possible) indicate another example, either with the same chart or another expressed in mT?
Or is there a more acceptable method for the determination of this parameter?.
** In the forums I have noticed that there is great confusion in repect of Bmax, (no offense to anyone about it, because these are people who make a great effort being made to publish your very interesting work). :)
** Thanks for yuo time and answer..


If you are using ETD49 with 3F3 or 3C90, i recommend using a BMAX of 1100 as maximum value to be in the safe side
 
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